based on a live debate between
Dr. Zakir Naik (a physician & a scholar on Islam)
&
&
Dr. William Campbell (a physician & a scholar on Christianity)
First, we
deal with Astronomy. The Bible speaks about the creation of the
universe. In the beginning, 1st Book, Book of Genesis, 1st
Ch., it is mentioned - It says… ‘Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth,
in six days and talks about a evening and a morning, referring to a 24 - hour
day. Today scientists tell us, that the universe cannot be created in a 24 hour
period of six days. Qur’an too speaks about six ‘ayyams’. The
Arabic word singular is ‘yaum’ plural is ‘ayyam’. It can either
mean a day of 24 hours, or it is a very long period, an ‘yaum’, an epoch.
Scientists say we have no objection in agreeing that the universe - it could
have been created in 6 very long periods.
Point No.2
- Bible says in Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses No. 3 and 5,…‘Light was created
on the first day.’ Genesis, Ch., 1 Verses, 14 to 19… ‘The cause of light - stars
and the sun, etc. was created on the fourth day’. How can the cause of light be
created on the 4th day - later than the light which came into
existence on the first day? - It is unscientific.
Point No.3
- Further, the, Bible says Genesis, Ch. 1, Verses 9 to 13… ‘Earth was
created on the 3rd day. How can you have a night and day without the
earth ? The day depends upon the rotation of the Earth Without the earth
created, how can you have a night and day?
Point No..4
- Genesis, Ch. No. 1 Verses 9 to 13 says… ‘Earth was created on the third day.’
Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses 14 to 19 says…‘The Sun and the Moon were created on the
fourth day.’ Today science tells us… ‘Earth is part of the parent body… the
sun.’ It cannot come into existence before the sun – It is unscientific.
Point No. 5
- The Bible says in Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse No. 11 to 13…‘The
vegetation, the herbs the shrubs, the trees - they were created on the 3rd
day And the Sun, Genesis, Ch. No. 1, Verses. 14 to 19, was created on the 4th
day. How can the vegetation come into existence without sunlight, and how can
they survive without sunlight ?
Point No.6
- The Bible says in Genesis, Ch. 1, Verses No.16, that…‘God created two
lights the greater light, the Sun to rule the day, and the lesser light the
Moon, to rule the night. The actual translation, if you go to the Hebrew text,
it is ‘lamps’…‘Lamps having lights of its own.’ And that you will come to know
better, if you read both the Verses – Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse. 16, as well as
17. Verse No.17 says…‘And Almighty God placed them in the firmament, to give
light to the earth… To give light to the earth.’ Indicating, that Sun and the
Moon has its own light - which is in contradiction with established scientific
knowledge that we have. There are certain people who try and reconciliate, and
say that the six days mentioned in the Bible, it actually refers to epocs
- like the Qur’an long periods - not six, 24 hour day. It is illogical -
you read in the Bible, evening, morning - It clearly states 24 hours, it
indicates. But even if I use the concordance approach - no problem. I agree with
your illogical argument - Yet they will only be able to solve the 1st
scientific error of 6 days creation, and second, of first day ‘light’ and 3rd
day ‘earth.’ The remaining four, yet they cannot solve. Some further say that…
‘If it is a 24-hour period, why cannot the vegetables survive for one 24 hour
day without sunlight?’ I say ‘Fine - If you say that the vegetables were created
before the sun, and can survive for one 24-hour day, I have got no objection.
But you cannot say the days mentioned are 24 hours as well as epochs - You
cannot have the cake and eat it, both. If you say it is long period, you solve
Point No.1 and 3, the remaining 4 are yet there. If you say the days are 24
hours day, you solve only Point No.5 - the remaining 5 are yet there - It
becomes unscientific. I leave it to Dr. William Campbell, whether he wants to
say… ‘It is long period’, and say that there are only 4 scientific errors - or
say… ‘It is a 24 hour day’, and say there is only 5 scientific errors in the
creation of the universe.
Point No. 7
- Regarding the concept of Earth, there are various Scientists who have
described… ‘How will the world end.’ Hypothesis - Some may be right, some may be
wrong. But either the world will perish or the world will live forever. Both
cannot take place simultaneously – It is unscientific. But this is exactly what
the Bible says. It is mentioned in the Bible, in the book of
Hebrews, Ch. No.1 Verses No.10 and 11, and the book of Psalms, Ch. No.102, Verse
No.25 and 26, that…‘Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, and they
will perish.’ Exactly opposite is mentioned in the book of Ecclesiastics, Ch.
No.1, Verse No.4, and the book of Psalms, Ch. No.78, Verse No.69, that… ‘The
earth will abide forever.’ I leave it to Dr. William Campbell to choose which of
the two Verses are unscientific - the first pair or the second pair. One has to
be unscientific - Both cannot take place. The world cannot abide forever as well
as perish – It is unscientific.
Point No. 8
- Regarding ‘the Heavens’, the Bible says in Job, Ch. 26, Verse
11, that…‘The pillars of the Heaven will tremble.’ Qur’an says in Surah
Luqman, Ch. 31, Verse No.10, that…‘The Heavens are without any pillars - Don`t
you see? Don’t you see the Heavens are without any pillars? - Bible says
heaven have got pillars.
Point No. 9
- Not only
do the Heavens have got pillars - Bible says in the first book of Samuel,
Ch. No.2 Verses No.8, as well as the book of Job Ch. No.9, Verse No.6, and the
book of Psalms Ch. No.75, Verse No.3, that… ‘Even the earth have got
pillars.’
Point No. 10
- In the field of ‘Diet and Nutrition’ lets analyse, what does the
Bible say. The Bible says in the book of Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse
No.29, that… ‘God has given you all the herbs bearing seeds, the trees bearing
fruits - those that bear seed, as meat for you.’ New International Version says…
‘The seed bearing plants, and the trees bearing fruits bearing seeds are food
for you, all of them.’ Today, even a layman knows that there are several
poisonous plants like wild berries, stritchi, datura, plants containing
alkaloid, polyander, bacaipoid - that which if you ingest, if you eat there are
high possibilities you may die. How come the Creator of the universe and the
human beings, does not know, that if you have these plants, you will die. I hope
Dr. William Campbell does not give these vegetarian diet to his patients.
Point No. 11
- The Bible has a scientific test how to identify a true believer. It is
mentioned in the Gospel of Mark, Ch. No.16, Verse No.17 and 18 - It says that…
‘There will be signs for true believers and among the signs - In my name they
shall cast out devils, they shall speak foreign tongues, new tongues, they
shall take up serpents - And if they drink deadly poison, they shall not be
harmed - And when they place their hand over the sick, they shall be cured.’
This is a scientific test - In scientific terminology, it is known as the
‘confirmatory test’ for a true Christian believer. In the past 10 years of my
life, I have personally interacted with thousands of Christians, including
missionaries - I have not come across a single Christian, who has passed this
confirmatory test of the Bible. I have not come across a single Christian
who took poison - I have not come across any who took poison, and who has not
died. And in scientific terminology, this is also called as the ‘falsification
test’ That means if a false person tries and does this test… takes poison, he
will die. And a false person will not dare attempt this test - If you are not a
true Christian believer, you will not dare attempt this test. Because you try
and attempt the falsification test, you will fail. So a person who is not a true
Christian believer, will never attempt this test. I have read the book ‘The
Qur’an and the Bible in the light of history and science’ written by
Dr. William Campbell. And I assume - that he is a true Christian believer, and
at least I would like him to confirm to me about the falsification test. Please
be rest assured… Please be rest assured, I will not ask Dr. William Campbell
to have deadly poison - Because I don’t want to jeopardize the debate. What I’ll
do - I will only ask him to speak in foreign tongues… In new languages. And as
many of you may be aware that India is a land, which has more than 1000
languages and dialects. Only thing I request him is, to say these 3 words… ‘One
hundred rupees’, in the 17 official languages. There are only 17 official
languages in India and to make it easier for Dr. William Campbell, I have got a
‘One hundred-rupee note.’ And this has all the 17 languages mentioned here.
Besides English and Hindi, I will help him. I give him a beginning –‘Ek sav
rupaiya, In Hindi. The remaining 15 languages are here - I request him to
read. I know the test says… ‘They will speak foreign languages on their own,
without the help of reading’ - but I want to make the test easier, I want to see
someone passing the test - I’ve not seen any one. So if he cannot say it on his
own, or from his memory, at least read it. I don’t mind I’ll accept it. And I
would request the chairperson to give it to Dr. William Campbell. He has his
rebuttal - 15 languages, ‘Ek sav rupaiya’… 3 words only. What does the Bible
say regarding ‘Hydrology’? Bible says in Genesis, Ch. No.9, Verse No.13
to 17, that… ‘After God, at the time of Noah submerged the world by flood, and
after the flood’ subsided, He said… ‘I put up a rainbow in the sky as a promise
to the humankind never to submerge the world again, by water. To the
unscientific person it may be quite good… ‘Oh rainbow is a sign of Almighty
God, never to submerge the world by flood again.’ But today we know very well,
that rainbow is due to the refraction of sunlight, with rain or mist. Surely
there must have been thousands of rainbows before the time of Noah, peace be
upon him. To say it was not there before Noah’s time you have to assume that the
law of refraction did not exist - which is unscientific.’
Point No.
12
- In the field of medicine, the Bible says in the book of
Leveticus, Ch. No.14, Verse No.49 to 53 - it gives a novel way for disinfecting
a house from plague of leprosy… disinfecting a house from plague of
leprosy. It says that… ‘Take two birds, kill one bird, take wood, scale it - and
the other living bird, dip it in water… and under running water - later on
sprinkle the house 7 times with it. Sprinkle the house with blood to disinfect
against plague of leprosy? You know blood is a good media of germs, bacteria, as
well as toxin - I hope Dr. William Campbell does not use this method of
disinfecting the OT, the operation theatre.
Point No.
13
- It is mentioned in the book of Leveticus, Ch. No.12, Verse No.1 to 5, and we
know medically, that after a mother gives birth to a child, the post-partal
period, it is unhygienic. To say it is ‘unclean’, Religiously - I have got no
objection. But Leviticus, Ch. No.12 Verse No.1 to 5, says that… ‘After a
woman gives birth to a male child, she will be unclean for 7 days, and the
period of uncleanliness will continue for 33 days more. If she gives birth to a
female child, she will be unclean for two weeks, and the period of uncleanliness
will continue for 66 days. In short, if a woman gives birth to a male child… ‘a
son’, she is unclean for 40 days. If she gives birth to a female child… ‘a
daughter’, she is unclean for 80 days. I would like Dr. William Campbell to
explain to me scientifically, how come a woman remains unclean for double the
period, if she gives birth to a female child, as compared to a male child.
Point No.
14
- The Bible also has a very good test for adultery - How to come
to know a woman has committed adultery. In the book of Numbers, Ch. no.5 Verse
No..11 to 31, I’ll just say in brief, it says that… ‘The priest should take holy
water in a vessel, take dust from the floor, and put it into the vessel - And
that is the bitter water ‘And after cursing it, give it to the woman And if the
woman has committed adultery, after she drinks it, the curse will enter her
body, the stomach will swell, the thigh will rot, and she shall be cursed by the
people. If the woman has not committed adultery, she will remain clean and she
will bear the seed. A novel method of identifying whether a woman has committed
adultery or not. You know today in the world, there are thousands of cases
pending in different parts of the world, in different courts of law - only on
the assumption that someone has alleged that a woman has committed adultery. I
had read in the newspapers, and I came to know from the media, that the
President of this great country Mr. Bill Clinton, he was involved in a sex
scandal about 2 years back. I wonder, that why did not the American court use
this ‘bitter water test’ for adultery? He would have gone scot-free immediately.
Why did not the Christian missionaries of this great country, specially those
who are in the medical field like my respected Dr. William Campbell, use this
bitter water test to bail out their President, immediately.
Point No. 15
- ‘Mathematics’
is a branch, which is closely associated with science, with which you can solve
problems, etc. There are thousands of contradictions in the Bible -
hundreds deal with mathematics, and I’ll first touch on few of them. It is
mentioned in Ezra, Ch. No.2, Verse No.1, and Nehemiah, Ch. No.7, Verse No.6, the
context that… ‘When the people returned from exile, from Babylon, when king
Nebucheldeser of Babylon, when he released the men from Israel, they came back
from captivity’ - and the list of the people are given. The list is given in
Ezra, Ch. No.2, Verse No.2 to 63, and Nehemiah Ch. No.7, Verse No.7 up to 65;
the list is given with the names as well as number of people released. In these
60 Verses there are no less than 18 times - the name is exactly the same but the
number is different. There are no less than 18 contradictions in less than 60
Verses, of these two Chapters. This is the list - I don’t have time to run
through the list - There are no less than 18 different contradictions in less
than 60 Verses.
Point No. 16
- Further it is mentioned in Ezra, Ch. No.2 Verse No.64 that… ‘The total
congregation, if you add up… if you add up, it comes to 42,360.’ And if you read
in Nehemiah, Ch. No.7, Verse No.66, there also the total is the same 42,360. But
if you add up all these verses - which I had to do my homework - this is the
list of Ezra… this is the list of Nehemiah. Ezra Ch. No 2, Nehemiah Ch. No 7 -
If you add up - I had to do my homework…if you add up, Ezra Ch. No. 2 - It does
not come to 42,360 - it comes to 29,818. And if you add up Nehemiah, Ch. No. 7,
even then it does not come to 42,360 - It comes to 31,089. The author of the
Bible, presumed to be ‘Almighty God’, does not know simple addition. If you
give this problem, even to a person who has passed elementary school, he will be
able to get the right answer. If you add up all the 60 Verses, it is so easy.
Almighty God did not know adding – Nauzubillah… if we presume, that this
is the word of God.
Point No. 17
- Further, if we read, in Ezra Ch. No. 2, Verse No. 65, it says…There were 200
singing men and women - Nehemiah Ch. No. 7, Verse No. 67…‘There were 245 singing
men and women.’ Were they 200 - or were they 245 singing men and women? Context
is the same - A mathematical contradiction.
Point No. 18
- It is mentioned in the 2nd Kings, Ch. No 24, Verse No 8,
that…‘Jehoiachin was 18 years old, when he began to reign Jerusalem, and he
reigned for 3 months and 10 days. 2nd Chronicles, Ch. No 36, Verse No
9, says that…‘Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign and he reigned
for 3 months, 10 days. Was Jehoiachin 18 years when he began to reign, or was he
8 years old?
Point No. 19
- Did he reign for 3 months, or did he reign for 3 months 10 days?
Point No. 20
- Further, it is mentioned in the 1st Kings, Ch. No 7, Verse No 26,
that…‘In Solomon’s temple, in his molten sea, he had 2000 baths. In 2nd
Chronicles, Ch. No 4, Verse No 5, he had 3000 baths. Did he have 2000 baths or
did he have 3000 baths? – That, I leave it upon Dr. William Campbell to decide
which is correct. There is a clear-cut mathematical contradiction.
Point No. 21
- Furthermore. it is mentioned in the First Kings, Ch. No. 15, Verse No. 33,
that… ‘Basha, he died in the 26th year of reign of Asa.’ And 2nd
Chronicles Ch. No 16, Verse No 1, says that…‘Basha invaded Judah in the 36th
years of the reign of Asa.’ How can Basha invade 10 years after his death? - It
is unscientific.
(Point
No. 22 - Almighty God - He said, “I put up a rainbow in the sky, as a
promise to the human kind, never to submerge the world again by water”.)
To make it
easier for Dr. William Campbell, to answer the points I have raised, I will just
mention them in brief .
The points
that I mentioned :
The
first point was that -‘The creation of the Earth and the Heaven - the
universe was in six, 24-hour days.
Point
No. 2
- Light was then before the source of light.
Point
No. 3 -
Day came into existence before creation of Earth.
Point
No. 4
- Earth came into existence before Sun.
Point
No. 5
- Vegetation came into existence, before sunlight
Point
No. 6
- Light of the Moon is its own light.
Point
No. 7
- The earth - Will it perish or will it abide forever?
Point
No. 8 -
The
heavens have got pillars.
Point
No. 9
- The earth has got pillars.
Point
No. 10
- God said… ‘You can have all plants and all vegetation, including the poisonous
plants?’
Point
No. 11
- The scientific test the falsification test, of Mark, Ch. No. 16, Verse No. 17
and 18.
Point
No. 13 -
Using
blood to disinfect the house, against plague of leprosy.
Point
No. 12
- A woman remains unclean for double the period, if she gives birth to a
daughter, as compared to a son.
Point
No. 14
– How do you find out the bitter water test for adultery?
Point
No. 15
- Eighteen different contradictions in less than 60 Verses of Ezra, Ch. 2, and
Nehemiah, Ch. 7. I did not count them as 18 different - I counted them only as
one.
Point
No. 16
- The total is different is both the chapters.
Point
No. 17
- Are there 200 singing men and women, or are there 245 singing men and women?
Point
No. 18
- Was Jehoiachin 18 years old, or was he 8 years old when he began to reign?
Point
No. 19
- Did he reign for 3 months, or 3 months 10 days.
Point
No. 20
- Did Solomon have 3000 baths, or 2000 baths?
Point
No. 21
- Is that Basha, how could he invade Judah, 10 years after his death?
Point
No. 22
is - Almighty God - He said, “I put up a rainbow in the sky, as a promise to the
human kind, never to submerge the world again by water”.
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